More about plotholes in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
We have received some detailed comments from our readers of the original Deathly Hallows plotholes story, and we thought instead of publishing them in the comments and drowning them, it might be a good idea to publish them separately here.
So here we go.
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A
Submitted on 2009/12/22 at 7:46am
Something you all have to realize about the choices that the characters make.. like why didnt they disapperate off the dragon’s back, why didnt they use a cushioning charm whenever harry fell of his broom, why didnt barty crouch make something else into a portkey….etc etc…while it might also be seen as a plot device…you have to remember that the characters are also HUMAN…wizards maybe, but human. how many of us look back on our days and go damn, i should have done that this way…lots of times right?…but at the same time..its easy for us, who know EVERYTHING abt the harry potter world from reading the books to say, “oh if I were voldermort, I’d have used a different spell.” First of all, if you were voldermort, you never would consider every bit of every choice you made before you did it. (He thinks he’s special and all-powerful so he acts to that accord)…Second, if you’re voldermort, you may very well end up using the avada kadavra curse again….it failed you, granted with the same boy…but it’s work loads of times before, and you believe youself to be correct so you’re not gonna believe a word this boy is saying…and you might just as well use that same curse. I get so angry at Harry for using expeliarimus on stan shunpike during his departure from prvetdrive. But its his character. It’s also his character not to look for a portrait of dumbledore to talk to, and hermione’s character to summon books on horcruxes, and ron’s not to use expeliarimus.
On the other hand, the wand allegiance is confusing…and complicated ..but i think it works. Its been explained a few times already so i’m not going to reiterate.
The whole is series is definetely not without wrong..i mean theres a lot of inconsistencies (i think that’s the word people are looking for;”plot-hole” has been used way too much here)..bill or charlie with the long hair? harry not seeing the thestrals after book 4 (although JKR does a decent job of explaining that on her site), whether prefects can deduct pts or not (percy takes pts from Griffindor in bk 2 when he sees ron leaving the girls bathroon, but in bk5 ernie tells malfoy that prefects cant take pts off, to which malfoy says that the inquisitorial sqad can), how in the graveyard scene (due to a bit of editing failure of the American editor), harry’s father comes out from voldermrt’s wand first, when it was backwards and his mother should have come out first(she mentioned this on her website too)….those bits are just things that need to be corrected in the subsequent editions. A lot of other things are just figuring them out and leaving them to interpretations. On the hand some things are just the way you read them. Use some imagination! It really technically is a children’s series, even if it’s widely read by adults as well. I do recommend listening to the audiobooks as well like someone me wrote..You catch and understand a lot more.
One thing I didnt like was names that harry’s kids had. I mean come on? albus severus? i love DD and SNape..but rly? it just sounds akward..and even confusing is Lily Luna Potter…did luna die? i mean i didnt think she did,…but if she didnt why name a child after her..it seemed like a loose end..and idk or maybe its just me being curious as to why youd name ur kid after a friend unless theres a special reason..and not just bc u like the name….But hey its JKR’s characters and her choice..just like Harry is harry and everyone else is who she wants them to be…
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Michal
nostalgicus.bloguje.cz
I haven’t read the discussion completely, so I may repeat something already mentioned:
1. Since the fall of the Ministry, the name “Voldemort” has been a taboo word – that is why the Death Eaters were able to find Harry, Hermione and Ron in the club. But why on earth does Harry say the word at least twice when they are camping in forests, and the Death Eathers don’t get to them? Well, it can just be a mistake caused by the translation (I’ve read a Czech version).
2. The relation between the wizards and the Elder Wand is too complex. I had to read Harry’s explanating monologue twice and still I’m not sure I understand it well. The most confusing thing is that Harry defeated Draco Malfoy and became the master of the Elder Wand, but Draco was using a different wand at that time. I think Rowling tried to make the seventh book very logical and consistend, which paradoxically made it illogical at some moments.
3. The Time Turner stuff – gosh, how much time have I spent explaining the people that you simply can’t change the past! The Time Turner can just make a loop with a determined outcome. Buckbeak was not killed at all – he had been saved by the “previous” Harry and Hermione. The “present” Harry and Hermione just fulfilled the loop. When Hermione warns Harry about dangerous consequences of travelling to the past, she might be only exaggerating – no-one can “kill himself” in fact. The thing that they destroyed all the Turners at the Ministry doesn’t have any impact on the whole thing at all – Rowling just made sure no-body would suggest using the Time Turners for saving everyone’s life.
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roboiswise
Submitted on 2009/12/12 at 4:24am
Time turner is a major hole. Disagree with other arguments, there wasn’t a restriction on how far you could go back, even if you only had twenty four clicks you just keep going back a day at a time. And I’m sure Harry went forward in time, too. Voldy/Death Eaters had endless opportunites to reverse things before book 5 and certainly didn’t care about getting permission from ministry.
Most of the other numerous plot holes didn’t worry me, I’m happy to read over them and enjoy the story. I guess I did find the series increasingly complicated and hard to follow. Perhaps you have to read it several times and take notes. But like my friend said, a really well crafted story should be self explanotory. The HP series started gettiing quite convoluted by the Goblet, but i still liked it even though it is much weaker in plot and structure than other fantasy classics like LotRings.
One thing that always made me wonder was all those ghosts that wandered around hogwarts – why didn’t Sirius, dumbledore etc hang out as ghosts after they died? THey could have given Harry and others heaps of advice. Harry didn’t need to speak to Dumby in death when he could’ve spoken to him in the dining room. Why didn’t Harry’s parents hang out too? He could have got to know them and everything else that happened when Voldy went nuts. Did i miss something?
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Hobiewan
Submitted on 2009/12/10 at 4:47am
Permission from ministry to use time turners! Voldy and deatheaters dont give a rats about permission. THe time turners is a gaping hole that undid the whole serires for me. They weren’t destroyed until book 5, plenty of time for all those immensly powerful bad wizards to go back in time and undo what harry did to voldy in first place. If a 3rd grader is wandering around with a time turner just to get to more classes, the baddies would have to have one too. There’s countless other plot holes, otherwise this debate wouldn’t exist.
Also, I don’t like the way rowling stole most of her ideas from other authors ( the good ones anyway) and makes out their hers she’s well renowed for giving scant recognition to other authors). The wand knowing its owner is Blytons (Chinky the Pixie’s wand in the wishing chair series, so were the moving staris, invisibilty coat(the tenth task)+many more. Tolkein: LotR- Great Willow almost identical to Whomping willow, Sauron-vanquished dark wizard rising again=Voldy; Faramir + others refer to Sauron as ‘He who shall not be named’, Bilbo/Frodo using invisibilty ring to spy etc like Harry, morgul blades with special magic=sword of gryfindor, ringwraiths=dementors, hobbits (ie little people) vs dark lord concept = kids vs voldy, + heaps more, Hobbit-Shape shifters (Beorn can turn into a bear)= shape shifters in Azkaban, giant spiders(chp.8)-rowling pretty much cut and paste this whole scene into Aragog in Chamber of sec, + heaps more. And dont forget Worst Witch by Jill Murphy – castle boarding school for witches with nasty potions teacher, broomstick flying lessons, powerful headmistress etc.
If you took these three authors out of HP, there’s still some good bits left, but most of them belong to the likes of Gaimon (books of magic-tim and his white pet owl were another cut and paste job by jkr – just name change to Harry & hedwig), platform13 where the kids use magical platform to go to other worlds=9&3/4, CS Lewis of course and others.
What’s left is the convoluted, tangled quagmire that belongs to rowling. If you think she’s king, you’ve been sadly duped.


