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	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on AirAsia to start flights to India from 1 Dec, 2008 by Sivamani Muru</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/airasia-to-start-flights-to-india-from-1-dec-2008/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator>Sivamani Muru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from Malaysia's Budget AIRASIA. Trichy also needs flights from other destinations such as Hongkong (CATHAY PACIFIC}, Mauritius (AIR MAURITIUS), South Africa (SOUTH AFRICAN AIRLINES}, and Thailand ( THAI AIRWAYS). This will enhance businesses among these nations with Trichy. Gone are the days where one can successfully execute export oriented businesses  only  from Chennai. Trichy can be made the next export oriented destination by having state of art cargo handling terminals at trichy.  Trichy must be exposed to the world inorder to make it the best second tier city.  

















































I personally believe that Honourable Minister Mr K.N Nehru an elected member of Trichy  Constituency has great potentials to turn Trichy into a well planned city. Give him your say and he will do it for your city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from Malaysia&#8217;s Budget AIRASIA. Trichy also needs flights from other destinations such as Hongkong (CATHAY PACIFIC}, Mauritius (AIR MAURITIUS), South Africa (SOUTH AFRICAN AIRLINES}, and Thailand ( THAI AIRWAYS). This will enhance businesses among these nations with Trichy. Gone are the days where one can successfully execute export oriented businesses  only  from Chennai. Trichy can be made the next export oriented destination by having state of art cargo handling terminals at trichy.  Trichy must be exposed to the world inorder to make it the best second tier city.  </p>
<p>I personally believe that Honourable Minister Mr K.N Nehru an elected member of Trichy  Constituency has great potentials to turn Trichy into a well planned city. Give him your say and he will do it for your city.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emirates to add 18 new flights to India by Emirates flights to India &#124; DWS Aviation</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/emirates-to-add-18-new-flights-to-india/#comment-782</link>
		<dc:creator>Emirates flights to India &#124; DWS Aviation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that Emirates Airline operates to 10 destinations in India will go up to 163. Emirates had added 18 new flights to India in July [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that Emirates Airline operates to 10 destinations in India will go up to 163. Emirates had added 18 new flights to India in July [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Post Kingfisher-Jet Airways alliance, employee layoffs and cost-cutting begin by Aircraft, ticket sales and shares as collateral for loans to Indian airlines demanded by banks &#124; DWS Aviation</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/post-kingfisher-jet-airways-alliance-employee-layoffs-and-cost-cutting-begin/#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator>Aircraft, ticket sales and shares as collateral for loans to Indian airlines demanded by banks &#124; DWS Aviation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]         With financial concerns about the Indian airline industry at an all-time high following the Jet Airways layoff fiasco, airline companies in India are now being asked by banks to pledge aircraft as collateral before [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]         With financial concerns about the Indian airline industry at an all-time high following the Jet Airways layoff fiasco, airline companies in India are now being asked by banks to pledge aircraft as collateral before [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on US Justice Department approves Delta Air Lines-Northwest Airlines merger by Brenda Stone</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/us-justice-department-approves-delta-air-lines-northwest-airlines-merger/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a very interesting story about my pending arbitration with Northwest Airlines that you didn't hear about in the news. This also has to pass approval like the one in San Francisco. They're still trying to sweep me under the rug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a very interesting story about my pending arbitration with Northwest Airlines that you didn&#8217;t hear about in the news. This also has to pass approval like the one in San Francisco. They&#8217;re still trying to sweep me under the rug.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Passengers file lawsuit against merger of Northwest Airlines and Delta Air Lines by Delta Air Lines-Northwest Airlines merger approved &#124; DWS Aviation</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/passengers-file-lawsuit-against-merger-of-northwest-airlines-and-delta-air-lines/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>Delta Air Lines-Northwest Airlines merger approved &#124; DWS Aviation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Passengers file lawsuit against Delta Northwest merger [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Residents near Sydney Airport heading for increased aircraft noise by Bruno</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/residents-near-sydney-airport-heading-for-increased-aircraft-noise/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a resident of Chippendale, and I have noticed an increase number of small aeroplanes flying in this area, at what it seems lower altitudes and higher noise. I understand the article is talking about large aeroplanes, however it seems that airport changes also apply to small aeroplanes. I never got any of the written notification (that was sent to the 105,000 homes).
I believe that the height is meant to be 1km (?) above residenttial area in Chippendale. I do not think this is the case. Thus increase of noise in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a resident of Chippendale, and I have noticed an increase number of small aeroplanes flying in this area, at what it seems lower altitudes and higher noise. I understand the article is talking about large aeroplanes, however it seems that airport changes also apply to small aeroplanes. I never got any of the written notification (that was sent to the 105,000 homes).<br />
I believe that the height is meant to be 1km (?) above residenttial area in Chippendale. I do not think this is the case. Thus increase of noise in this area.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MNS Chief Raj Thackeray joins battle for Jet Airways employees who lost jobs by Lins</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/mns-chief-raj-thackeray-joins-battle-for-jet-airways-employees-who-lost-jobs/#comment-676</link>
		<dc:creator>Lins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actual way to cut cost is that everyone should bear the grunt and not 10% of the staff as they are on junior level. The higher level management even if takes 2 % cut will help save the bread and butter of all 800 employees who have been retrenched in such a disgracefull fashion. What norms have been complied is difficult to understand as this is extremely immoral. I am happy that atleast one political leader has the guts to stand up and speak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actual way to cut cost is that everyone should bear the grunt and not 10% of the staff as they are on junior level. The higher level management even if takes 2 % cut will help save the bread and butter of all 800 employees who have been retrenched in such a disgracefull fashion. What norms have been complied is difficult to understand as this is extremely immoral. I am happy that atleast one political leader has the guts to stand up and speak</p>
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		<title>Comment on Post Kingfisher-Jet Airways alliance, employee layoffs and cost-cutting begin by Jet Airways employee job cuts, Maharashtra Navnirman Sena and Raj Thackeray (MNS) &#124; DWS Aviation</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/post-kingfisher-jet-airways-alliance-employee-layoffs-and-cost-cutting-begin/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Jet Airways employee job cuts, Maharashtra Navnirman Sena and Raj Thackeray (MNS) &#124; DWS Aviation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] day later, we had Jet Airways announcing huge job cuts which has its employees and crew in a panic. News was that 900 employees would be laid off [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] day later, we had Jet Airways announcing huge job cuts which has its employees and crew in a panic. News was that 900 employees would be laid off [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jet Airways, Kingfisher Airlines alliance to reduce costs by Jet Airways layoffs begin post Kingfisher Jet alliance, job cuts and cost cutting &#124; DWS Aviation</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/jet-airways-kingfisher-airlines-alliance-to-reduce-costs/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Jet Airways layoffs begin post Kingfisher Jet alliance, job cuts and cost cutting &#124; DWS Aviation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is in fact the largest for Indiaâ€™s aviation industry. The deadly blow came about soon after the Jet Airways - Kingfisher alliance was struck and it has been reported that even staffers in uniform who had been waiting to be picked [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is in fact the largest for Indiaâ€™s aviation industry. The deadly blow came about soon after the Jet Airways - Kingfisher alliance was struck and it has been reported that even staffers in uniform who had been waiting to be picked [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emirates in major deal with Sabre Travel Network by sashi</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/emirates-in-major-deal-with-sabre-travel-network/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>sashi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if im buying ticket with u people how can i pay the fare,b/cux our credit card is not accepted
please help me how can i pay with my card</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if im buying ticket with u people how can i pay the fare,b/cux our credit card is not accepted<br />
please help me how can i pay with my card</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aircraft cabins do not help spread infectious diseases, says report by dsw</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/aircraft-cabins-do-not-help-spread-infectious-diseases-says-report/#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>dsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often suffer a sore throat, a cold, headaches, fever or flu a few days after flying and I know I am not alone. Various studies have identified an increased risk of respiratory symptoms among airline crew in passenger aircraft, as well as cases of in-flight transmission of infectious diseases, such as TB, among passengers sitting up to several rows away from the infection source. 

Apparently, it is not the recirculation of air that causes the spread of disease in aircraft. Rather it is more likely the direct transmission of disease between persons even up to several rows apart, either through air transmission or mutual contacts. Reasons for trasnsmission by the air route include the following.:The diversity of sources and lack of immunity to the various pathogen exposures encountered in aircraft with the intermixing of persons from different population centers and continents is uniquely high for air travel in comparison with other venues such as theaters or classrooms where the occupants come from one geographic region. The filtered air supply rate to aircraft passengers is low (e.g.1/6th that provided to office workers). The low relative humidty typical of aircraft  air favors the transmission of certain pathogens including the influenza A virus. The tight quarters in aircraft creates higher dose for any expsoure time due to the relatively small air buffering zoneper passenger  versus less cramped quarters (e.g. a classroom typically has a 10 times larger air buffering zone per person than a commerical  aircraft passenger).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often suffer a sore throat, a cold, headaches, fever or flu a few days after flying and I know I am not alone. Various studies have identified an increased risk of respiratory symptoms among airline crew in passenger aircraft, as well as cases of in-flight transmission of infectious diseases, such as TB, among passengers sitting up to several rows away from the infection source. </p>
<p>Apparently, it is not the recirculation of air that causes the spread of disease in aircraft. Rather it is more likely the direct transmission of disease between persons even up to several rows apart, either through air transmission or mutual contacts. Reasons for trasnsmission by the air route include the following.:The diversity of sources and lack of immunity to the various pathogen exposures encountered in aircraft with the intermixing of persons from different population centers and continents is uniquely high for air travel in comparison with other venues such as theaters or classrooms where the occupants come from one geographic region. The filtered air supply rate to aircraft passengers is low (e.g.1/6th that provided to office workers). The low relative humidty typical of aircraft  air favors the transmission of certain pathogens including the influenza A virus. The tight quarters in aircraft creates higher dose for any expsoure time due to the relatively small air buffering zoneper passenger  versus less cramped quarters (e.g. a classroom typically has a 10 times larger air buffering zone per person than a commerical  aircraft passenger).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wreck confirmed as Steve Fossett&#8217;s Bellanca plane: Crash update by Steve Fossett plane crash site and documents photo, search on for Fossett's crashed Bellanca and crash photos &#124; DWS Aviation</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/wreck-confirmed-as-steve-fossetts-bellanca-plane-crash-update/#comment-562</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Fossett plane crash site and documents photo, search on for Fossett's crashed Bellanca and crash photos &#124; DWS Aviation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: Wreck confirmed as Fossett&#8217;s Bellanca [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Update: Wreck confirmed as Fossett&#8217;s Bellanca [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on American Airlines plans to lay off 469 workers at US airports by mahindra rawat</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/american-airlines-plans-to-lay-off-469-workers-at-us-airports/#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>mahindra rawat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>applyfor the post of office field boy job in airport</description>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by l_reason</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>l_reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fantastic little plane!  All the similar comparable light single place aircraft that cruise at 70mph are burning 10-25 l/hr.  I would love to see a light 2 place plane powered one or two light electric motors. If its possible to achieve a two hour range and 80mph it would make a fantastic primary trainer for new pilots. With the right aircraft design you could replace the batteries after  flights to shorten the turn around time.  I think flight schools would jump at the opportunity to have electric planes.  I’m an aircraft owner, airline pilot and flight instructor.

The Wright Flyer was more or less a useless aeroplane, but not a bad start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fantastic little plane!  All the similar comparable light single place aircraft that cruise at 70mph are burning 10-25 l/hr.  I would love to see a light 2 place plane powered one or two light electric motors. If its possible to achieve a two hour range and 80mph it would make a fantastic primary trainer for new pilots. With the right aircraft design you could replace the batteries after  flights to shorten the turn around time.  I think flight schools would jump at the opportunity to have electric planes.  I’m an aircraft owner, airline pilot and flight instructor.</p>
<p>The Wright Flyer was more or less a useless aeroplane, but not a bad start.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by huhwha</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>huhwha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random: How about a helicopter instead? Or some type of VTOL implementation?

And a chart showing the efficiency curve with respect to weight of cargo would be great. Unfortunately, in these systems, the variance of the passenger can make a big difference to performance... at least, I would presume. (with/without parachute, 120lb vs 180lb pilot, etc = efficiency variance)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random: How about a helicopter instead? Or some type of VTOL implementation?</p>
<p>And a chart showing the efficiency curve with respect to weight of cargo would be great. Unfortunately, in these systems, the variance of the passenger can make a big difference to performance&#8230; at least, I would presume. (with/without parachute, 120lb vs 180lb pilot, etc = efficiency variance)</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by mike</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not fair to compare it to the costs of a car - any car.   The comparison is to the cost to operate a regular airplane.  With constantly rising gas, many people have trouble continuing it as a hobby.  It becomes too costly.  This is what brough Ultralights out in the 80's to 90's.  I'm just glad to see the power to weight ratios are getting to where a plane can be powered for a decent time frame.  Things should only improve with demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not fair to compare it to the costs of a car - any car.   The comparison is to the cost to operate a regular airplane.  With constantly rising gas, many people have trouble continuing it as a hobby.  It becomes too costly.  This is what brough Ultralights out in the 80&#8217;s to 90&#8217;s.  I&#8217;m just glad to see the power to weight ratios are getting to where a plane can be powered for a decent time frame.  Things should only improve with demand.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by Don</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-423</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, looks like they breathed new life into the Monnett Moni design.  Wonder how long before we see electric J-3s?  LOL.  I think it's going to be limited to single place unless electric motors get alot more powerful and batteries alot lighter....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, looks like they breathed new life into the Monnett Moni design.  Wonder how long before we see electric J-3s?  LOL.  I think it&#8217;s going to be limited to single place unless electric motors get alot more powerful and batteries alot lighter&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Virgin Atlantic to charge lower fuel charges for Economy class by jim</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/virgin-atlantic-to-charge-lower-fuel-charges-for-economy-class/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean the flights to Cape Town will start coming down? Unfortunately the expensive inbound flying costs are the most prohibitive factor when it comes to Cape Town Travel. 
www.cometocapetown.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean the flights to Cape Town will start coming down? Unfortunately the expensive inbound flying costs are the most prohibitive factor when it comes to Cape Town Travel.<br />
<a href="http://www.cometocapetown.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cometocapetown.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by coyote</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>coyote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where'd I put my daughter's booster seat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;d I put my daughter&#8217;s booster seat?</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by Kwoff.com</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator>Kwoff.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ElectraFlyer - environment-friendly aircraft with electric motor for under 30k...&lt;/strong&gt;

The ElectraFlyer C, an electric ultralight plane available now if you want to plonk down 21000 $ max, bang it all up together, and take it on a relatively silent 2 hour flight....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>ElectraFlyer - environment-friendly aircraft with electric motor for under 30k&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The ElectraFlyer C, an electric ultralight plane available now if you want to plonk down 21000 $ max, bang it all up together, and take it on a relatively silent 2 hour flight&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by linus</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-415</link>
		<dc:creator>linus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to know its payload capacity.
I'm afraid it is much smaller than cars'.
Is it really enviroment-friendly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to know its payload capacity.<br />
I&#8217;m afraid it is much smaller than cars&#8217;.<br />
Is it really enviroment-friendly?</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by aweba</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-413</link>
		<dc:creator>aweba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The price list on the website looks like it doesn't include avionics.  I can't tell you how much that is, but it is a meaningful monetary part of any plane purchase.

"ykjay,"
A problem with the 'quick swap' option would likely be weight.  This is an ultralight and it only carries one passenger.  Batteries are heavy, and distance on planes is always limited by weight.  You never know if the thing could even take off with extra weight from batteries, or if it has space to carry them for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The price list on the website looks like it doesn&#8217;t include avionics.  I can&#8217;t tell you how much that is, but it is a meaningful monetary part of any plane purchase.</p>
<p>&#8220;ykjay,&#8221;<br />
A problem with the &#8216;quick swap&#8217; option would likely be weight.  This is an ultralight and it only carries one passenger.  Batteries are heavy, and distance on planes is always limited by weight.  You never know if the thing could even take off with extra weight from batteries, or if it has space to carry them for that matter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 02:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, maybe cheaper in the long run, but count in the flying lessons required to be certified and you have a pretty hefty starting cost.  Airtime is very expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, maybe cheaper in the long run, but count in the flying lessons required to be certified and you have a pretty hefty starting cost.  Airtime is very expensive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by Donny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like all the math, but the biggest expense as I see itn is parking.  My driveway leaves something to be desired, a runway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like all the math, but the biggest expense as I see itn is parking.  My driveway leaves something to be desired, a runway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put some thin-film photo-voltaics on the roof/wings.  First to fly around the world in a day wins!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put some thin-film photo-voltaics on the roof/wings.  First to fly around the world in a day wins!</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by dkraft</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>dkraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YO ! Green farts. 

the batteries are $4500 and last for 100 cycles.  Put that in your "not in my back yard" equation and SMOKE IT..

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - 

"The electric mile will ALWAYS be more expensive to the environment and your wallet than the petroleum mile."

Case Closed.

again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YO ! Green farts. </p>
<p>the batteries are $4500 and last for 100 cycles.  Put that in your &#8220;not in my back yard&#8221; equation and SMOKE IT..</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said it before, and I&#8217;ll say it again - </p>
<p>&#8220;The electric mile will ALWAYS be more expensive to the environment and your wallet than the petroleum mile.&#8221;</p>
<p>Case Closed.</p>
<p>again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With a top speed of 90 mph, this is definitely not an ultralight.  According to the electraflyer.com web site, they already have an airworthiness certificate (but just the "experimental" required for flight testing, which they haven't done yet and which would be required for a full "normal" or "utility" category certificate).  So this is a "real" airplane (ultralights are too, but not from a regulatory point of view :) ).

Of course, as a real airplane, it means you need a pilot certificate of some sort to fly it.  But it's small and slow enough that the simple Sport Pilot certificate would do.  If you can really get one of these for $20K, or even $30K, I predict it's going to be a big hit.

It remains to be seen whether that's the actual price though.  The batteries alone are going to be expensive, probably five figures.

There have been lots of "revolutionary" aircraft announced.  Most never fly, never mind make it to the marketplace.  I'm not holding by breath, but if ElectraFlyer can prove the concept, this sounds like a wonderful plane and I won't be able to wait to fly one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With a top speed of 90 mph, this is definitely not an ultralight.  According to the electraflyer.com web site, they already have an airworthiness certificate (but just the &#8220;experimental&#8221; required for flight testing, which they haven&#8217;t done yet and which would be required for a full &#8220;normal&#8221; or &#8220;utility&#8221; category certificate).  So this is a &#8220;real&#8221; airplane (ultralights are too, but not from a regulatory point of view <img src='http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
<p>Of course, as a real airplane, it means you need a pilot certificate of some sort to fly it.  But it&#8217;s small and slow enough that the simple Sport Pilot certificate would do.  If you can really get one of these for $20K, or even $30K, I predict it&#8217;s going to be a big hit.</p>
<p>It remains to be seen whether that&#8217;s the actual price though.  The batteries alone are going to be expensive, probably five figures.</p>
<p>There have been lots of &#8220;revolutionary&#8221; aircraft announced.  Most never fly, never mind make it to the marketplace.  I&#8217;m not holding by breath, but if ElectraFlyer can prove the concept, this sounds like a wonderful plane and I won&#8217;t be able to wait to fly one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by RickyBender</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>RickyBender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd buy one and then fly it instead of driving and like land it and stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d buy one and then fly it instead of driving and like land it and stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if it does cost more to operate than a Prius or comparable econobox, it's an AIRPLANE, man. You get the fun of flying an airplane coupled with operating costs people can actually live with. What's not to love?

Lately my aircraft has been burning 15 gallons per hour of 100LL Avgas to do around 150 kts / 172 mph. This would be a great lower-cost option for people who want to fly for fun without breaking the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it does cost more to operate than a Prius or comparable econobox, it&#8217;s an AIRPLANE, man. You get the fun of flying an airplane coupled with operating costs people can actually live with. What&#8217;s not to love?</p>
<p>Lately my aircraft has been burning 15 gallons per hour of 100LL Avgas to do around 150 kts / 172 mph. This would be a great lower-cost option for people who want to fly for fun without breaking the bank.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ElectraFlyer-C electric mini plane makes flying cheaper than driving by James = tard</title>
		<link>http://www.dancewithshadows.com/aviation/electraflyer-c-electric-mini-plane-makes-flying-cheaper-than-driving/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>James = tard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James you might be retarded.. The point was to emphisize how cheap this plane operates, not to compare it to cars.</description>
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